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[hellvard8]

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Сообщение отредактировал hellvard8: 07 августа 2016 - 01:36

[hellvard8]

I'm looking for someone who can help me with finding info about feudal titles in XIIIth century Russia. Any volunteers?

[holdfast]

I'm looking for someone who can help me with finding info about feudal titles in XIIIth century Russia. Any volunteers?

I have some bad news for you - there were no Russia in 13th century yet

https://en.wikipedia.../Russia#History

Сообщение отредактировал holdfast: 07 января 2017 - 23:48

[hellvard8]

I know this I mean Rus/Ruthenia.

[holdfast]

That was a little political joke, sorry
I'm not the historian, so, using google, I've found this article: http://samlib.ru/z/z..._n/titles.shtml . I don't know how much truthful is it, but i think it's quite good.
The translation of the table in the end:
1. Veliki Knyaz (Grand Knyaz, Prince, Grand Duke) - the highest title, smth like western King or Kohung.
2. Udelny Knyaz (Udel = Fief or Feud) - next title, smth like western Duke. They have to submit Veliki Knyaz in theory, but in period of "Rus Fragmentation" they usually were independent in their Principalities indeed.
3. Namestnik - (literally translates like Viceroy) boyar, who was assigned to manage some region.
4. Posadnik - (literally translates like Mayor) boyar, who was assigned to manage the part of some region.
5. Volostelin - (Also used SOTNIK: Volost means smth like township, sometimes called "Sotnya". Sotnya translates "One hundred", so Sotnik means also smth like Centurion in Roman army) boyar, who was assigned to manage Volost/Sotnya.
6. Boyarin - Boyar, high rank hereditary noble.
7. Deti Boyarskie (literally translates like "Boyars Children or Sons") - Lower rank noblemen, all ranks and titles martial people, free servants, etc.

Probably, Great Novgorod had some differences in titles because of its republican system.
Sorry for my ill English

[hellvard8]

Nice, thank you But I need a bit more detailed info, for example in which settlement should rule knyaz, in which posadnik and so on. 

[holdfast]

Oh, sorry, it's too difficult for me. Hope somebody with historical education will help you with it.

But if you want to make the ancillary system I think that you have to use only "Knyaz" (means Udelny Knyaz) and "Namestnik" titles. Title Knyaz you can give for cities, that were capitals of Rus Principalities. The list of Principalities you can find, for example, here:
https://en.wikipedia....281097-1237.29

Another cities could be ruled by "Namestnik's" because there were no Knyaze's there. Posadnik ruled the smaller regions, I think it is unnecessary for you.

But that's only me opinion - opinion of amateur.

[Gunnover]

That was a little political joke, sorry
I'm not the historian, so, using google, I've found this article: http://samlib.ru/z/z..._n/titles.shtml . I don't know how much truthful is it, but i think it's quite good.
The translation of the table in the end:
1. Veliki Knyaz (Grand Knyaz, Prince, Grand Duke) - the highest title, smth like western King or Kohung.
2. Udelny Knyaz (Udel = Fief or Feud) - next title, smth like western Duke. They have to submit Veliki Knyaz in theory, but in period of "Rus Fragmentation" they usually were independent in their Principalities indeed.
3. Namestnik - (literally translates like Viceroy) boyar, who was assigned to manage some region.
4. Posadnik - (literally translates like Mayor) boyar, who was assigned to manage the part of some region.
5. Volostelin - (Also used SOTNIK: Volost means smth like township, sometimes called "Sotnya". Sotnya translates "One hundred", so Sotnik means also smth like Centurion in Roman army) boyar, who was assigned to manage Volost/Sotnya.
6. Boyarin - Boyar, high rank hereditary noble.
7. Deti Boyarskie (literally translates like "Boyars Children or Sons") - Lower rank noblemen, all ranks and titles martial people, free servants, etc.

Probably, Great Novgorod had some differences in titles because of its republican system.
Sorry for my ill English

IMHO.Also privileged was Clergy. It was the most educated privileged class. High level: metropolitan, bishops, hegumen of monastery and lower level were placed by priests. But Orthodox Church was accessory for political life.

In XIII Ruthian classes were unfinished for ideal feodalism, because most of peasants were free and many cities formed local communities. 

[holdfast]

IMHO.Also privileged was Clergy. It was the most educated privileged class. High level: metropolitan, bishops, hegumen of monastery and lower level were placed by priests. But Orthodox Church was accessory for political life.

In XIII Ruthian classes were unfinished for ideal feodalism, because most of peasants were free and many cities formed local communities. 

Good remark! Rus XIII is too difficult for clear feudalism  

[Anri]

 

That was a little political joke, sorry
I'm not the historian, so, using google, I've found this article: http://samlib.ru/z/z..._n/titles.shtml . I don't know how much truthful is it, but i think it's quite good.
The translation of the table in the end:
1. Veliki Knyaz (Grand Knyaz, Prince, Grand Duke) - the highest title, smth like western King or Kohung.
2. Udelny Knyaz (Udel = Fief or Feud) - next title, smth like western Duke. They have to submit Veliki Knyaz in theory, but in period of "Rus Fragmentation" they usually were independent in their Principalities indeed.

Slugiliy Knyaz - landless feodal, at the service of ruling knyaz.

 

 

5. Volostelin - (Also used SOTNIK: Volost means smth like township, sometimes called "Sotnya". Sotnya translates "One hundred", so Sotnik means also smth like Centurion in Roman army) boyar, who was assigned to manage Volost/Sotnya.

Tysyatsky - official princely(knyaz) administration in the cities of medieval Rus. There were two kinds tysyatskih: zemsky in towns(Miasto) and princely(knyaz) . Zemsky elected to the Veche(Wiec) and were a buffer between the knyaz and the urban community. Initially, the military leader of the urban militia ("thousands"), which is subordinate to sotniki.  Tysyatsky(princely) commanded "Malaya druzhynoy" knyaz court, military contingent that was always on hand to knyaz.

 

Dvorskij -  headed knyaz court, was the head of his military contingent. However, on Dvorskij as one of the closest to knyaz officials pinned and other responsible business.

 

Pechatnik - keeper of the knyaz seal, chancellor, one of the highest ranks of the court of the knyaz. Position existed in the 13th century only principality Galicia-Volhynia, in no other knyaz court in Rus XIII century such position no existed.

 

Voevoda -  military commander, general.

 

 

7. Deti Boyarskie (literally translates like "Boyars Children or Sons") - Lower rank noblemen, all ranks and titles martial people, free servants, etc.

Deti Boyarskie It appeared later, in the end of the 14th century, on the territory of the future of Russia (Moscow, Novgorod). The Galicia–Volhynia principality they were not.

 

 

Dworiane - that is, people of the knyaz court. They were in a tough depending on knyaz. Malaya druzhina quad joins in the knyaz court.